What’s Wrong Here? Hint: Too Close for Comfort

Can you identify the Code violation(s) in this photo?

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Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 9, 2012

It is a code violation to mount conduits and boxes directly to the bottom of a roof deck

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 9, 2012

The roofer is using screws that are too long. The box is in fact below the. 1 1/2" required by code.

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 9, 2012

Is this an old (exisitng) installation done prior to the 1-1/2" below ceiling requirement?

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 9, 2012

The boxes and the EMT should had been installed on unistrut at least 1-1/2 deep.

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 9, 2012

Four conduits entering the 1-1/2 deep octagon box is too many. This means 12 wires in the box, which is rated for 6- awg # 12 or 7- awg # 14.

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 10, 2012

I agree with one of the respondants above that it certainly appears like the boxes and conduit are more than 1-1/2" below the deck. Appear to be mounted on I-beam type supports.

Dave Radford (not verified)
on Oct 25, 2012

The conduit has a one hole on it so it cannot be mounted 1 1/2 below deck.

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 10, 2012

The conduit, and boxes are mounted directly to the roof pans( note the 1-hole strap on the conduit at the bottom of the picture), and none of the other conduits appear to be secured as required

Anonymous (not verified)
on Aug 10, 2012

The roofer in this case should not be in that trade.
Also warn them not to wire buildings either!!!!

RickR (not verified)
on Aug 15, 2012

Previous NEC editions have required protection of conductors where subject to physical damage. While most Code users understand this rule is intended to apply to all conductors in all wiring methods, it didn’t clearly state that. The 2011 revision clarifies that all conductors in all wiring methods must be protected from physical damage [300.4].

The rule in 300.4(E) regarding protection for raceways installed under metal-corrugated sheet roof decking has been expanded. The 2008 NEC introduced a requirement for the protection of most raceways when installed within 1½ in. of the underside of the roof deck. Although this 2008 rule change went a long way toward protecting wiring systems from damaging roofing screws that can penetrate the raceways, it left out one critical part of the installation — boxes. The 2011 revision corrects that and also clarifies that the measurement is to be made to the top of the cable, raceway, or box from the lowest surface of the roof decking (Fig. 1).

There would also be a concern if the existing conduit 110volt octagon box would be used for an incandescent light bulb and would effect the working ability of the heat detector installed within source distance of the device. Activation would occur creating false alarms and system could be affected by eddy currents or magnetic induction from the nearby electrical system mounted too close to the fire system.

Russ LeBlanc (not verified)
on Oct 27, 2012

Thanks for all of the comments!

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